Józef Magnuski  ‏(I1149)‏
Surname: Magnuski
Given Names: Józef

Gender: MaleMale
      

Birth: about 1748 25 25 Ostrzeszów, Ostrzeszów, ostrzeszowski, wielkopolskie, Polska
Death: 5 August 1838 ‏(Age 90)‏ Warszawa Wola, Warszawa, Warszawa, Mazowieckie, Polska
Personal Facts and Details
Birth about 1748 25 25 Ostrzeszów, Ostrzeszów, ostrzeszowski, wielkopolskie, Polska


Show Details Note: Ostrzeszów 51,426853 17,931818
Według aktu ślubu syna Franciszka Ksawerego w 1820 r. liczył 69 lat, czyli mógł się urodzić w 1751 r.

Beginnings of Ostrzeszów date back to the 13th century. It was granted civic rights in 1283. During the reign of Casimir III of Poland a castle was built in Ostrzeszów, which formed a part of a defense line on the Polish – Czech border of that time. From the 16th until the 18th century Ostrzeszów was a city "starosty", a seat of a county and lands tribunals. The city was burned down by Swedes during the Swedish Deluge of 1656. In 1793, as a result of the second partition of Poland, Ostrzeszów became part of Prussia. During the annexation period, under a German name Schildberg, it was a county town. It was also an important centre of Protestantism ‏(Poles and Germans)‏. After World War I the town of Ostrzeszów returned to the territory of Poland.

MarriageReligious Marriage
Jadwiga Sobierajska - about 1789 ‏(Age 41)‏ Polska


Note: Marriage date is assumed. No documents to support date or place. Daughter Apolonia died in 1790.
Occupation piwowar i młynarz Warszawa, Warszawa, Warszawa, Mazowieckie, Polska

Residence between 1817 and 1820 ‏(Age 69)‏ Warszawa, Warszawa, Warszawa, Mazowieckie, Polska
Address:
ul. Młynarska 3106A
‏(Cyrkuł IV miasta Warszawy, parafia wolska)‏

Death 5 August 1838 - godz. 6 rano ‏(Age 90)‏ Warszawa Wola, Warszawa, Warszawa, Mazowieckie, Polska
Latitude: N52.235004 Longitude: E20.972838

Burial August 1838 ‏(Age 90)‏
Globally unique Identifier DC756B264D6E6A42A130B56983F657A1A90F
Last Change 25 October 2015 - 14:51:45
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Parents Family  (F573)
Father of Józef Magnuski
1723 - 1798
Mother of Józef NN
1723 - 1798
Józef Magnuski
1748 - 1838

Immediate Family  (F413)
Jadwiga Sobierajska
1758 - 1838
Apolonia Magnuska
- 1790
Szymon Seweryn Magnuski
1789 -
Seweryn Szymon Magnuski
1790 -
Tadeusz Józef Magnuski
1792 - 1866
Matylda Regina Magnuska
1794 -
Franciszek Ksawery Magnuski
1795 - 1880
Marianna Magnuska
1797 -
Mikołaj Magnuski
1797 - 1797


Notes

Note
Z Ksiegi Zgonow parafii Wola, Warszawa rok 1838, zapis #

Dzialo sie to w Parafii Wolskiej Dnia Piatego Sierpnia Tysiac Osiemset
Trzydziestego Osmego roku o Godzinie Siódmej wieczor Stawil sie Franciszek Magnowski wlasciciel domu przy ulicy Wolskiej pod liczba Trzy tysiace sto dwanascie zamieszkaly lat Czterdziesci dwa majacy Syn Nieboszczyka i Adam Gajer Organista Kosciola Wolskiego przy Ulicy Woskiej pod liczba Trzy tysiace sto zamieszkaly lat Dwadziescia cztery majacy i Oswiadczyli ze w Dniu Dzisiejszym o Godzinie Szóstej z rana Umarl Józef Magnowski przy Synie zostajacy przy Ulicy Wolskiej pod liczba Trzy tysiace sto dwanascie zamieszkaly lat liczacy dziwiedziesiat rodem z Ksiestwa Poznanskiego Syn Rodzicow z imienia niewiadomych Malzonkow Magnowskich pozostawiajacych po sobie Owdowiala Zone Jadwiga z Soborajow Dwóch synow i jedna Córke zamezna, letnich. Po przekonaniu sie naocznie o Zejsciu Magnowskiego Akt ten Stawiajacym przeczytany i przez nich podpisany zostal.
Ks Jan ........ Kanonik Warszawski i Proboszcz Wolski

Franciszek Magnowski Adam Gajer.

It happened in Wolska Parish on 5 Aug 1838 at 7 pm. Franciszek Magnowski 42 years old, owner ‏(and inhabitant)‏ of the house at 3112 Wolska Str. and Adam Gajer church organist at Wola Church inhabitant at 3100 Wolska Str. 24 years old came and stated that Jozef Magnowski age 90 died today at 6 a.m. Jozef Magnowski lived at his son place and was originally from Ksiestwo Poznanskie, name of his parents unknown. Deceased left wife, Jadwiga nee Soboraj, two sons and one daughter addresses unknown. After making sure myself of his death, document this was read to those who came and signed by them.
Pastor Jan ….. Canon of Warszawa and vicar of Wola.
Franciszek Magnowski Adam Gajer

Note
From research of Robert Magnuski:

Józef was a brewer and miller ‏(braxator and molendinator in Latin; mielcarz or piwowar and mlynarz in Polish)‏ working at the properties of local farm or land owners. His social status was "honestus".

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From Robert Magnuski:

Hank,

Attached please find remaining scans of Magnuski family from Gralewo taken at the diocese archive in Plock.

Note the scan with birth of twins. According to Geneteka's birth entries there was a birth of nameless Magnuski in 1797. That was Nicolas ‏(Mikolaj in Polish)‏ twin brother of Marianna.

The only event of Magnuskis from Gralewo that is missing as compared to geneteka entries is death certificate of Apolonia in 1790. This is due to lack of records down from 1792 at the archive. However lack of her birth entry at the birth register that has consisted records from 1760 means that Josephus & Hedvigis moved into Gralewo from another location. It is quite likely then to assume that their marriage took place not in Gralewo but at some other location. Out of curiosity I typed "Sobierajski" into geneteka births browser for entire Mazowieckie - no single entry for that name. There are still not too many parishes indexed into geneteka from Mazowieckie but lack of even a single birth record for "Sobierajski" may mean that Jadwiga truly came from Kujawy district and Jozef came from Wielkie Ksiestwo Poznanskie as recorded at their death certificates. Why then they came to Gralewo ? The only reason I can think of was a job. Jozef was a brewer and miller ‏( braxator and molendinator in Latin; mielcarz or piwowar and mlynarz in Polish)‏ working at the properties of local farm or land owners. His social status was "honestus"

I also asked for a marriage register but the earliest available was from 1793-1825. Irrelevant but I checked marriages till 1825 to see if any Magnuski would appear on the record - none.

You wondered if given name of Matylda could have anything to do with Normans. No. They were given by the priest and chosen by the priest according to the practice and custom of times. Jozef not even heard of Mathilda of Scotland however when the priest had chosen that name/s he might have approved them.

I could spend at the archive only 90 min as I was on the way to Bydgoszcz for an appointmet but it proved enough to register everything pertaining to your lines at that archive. Living in Gralewo was just a short period in life of that family.

That's all

Note
From Robert Magnuski:

But the Gralewo story looks to be as complete as we can make it at this time.

Yes, Gralewo was 20 years long episode for Joseph and Hedvigis and important one. Almost all their children were born there and his income kept accumulating and got substantial enough to advance the family to Warsaw and invest in real estate.

Title could have been bought under certain conditions. However Gralewo records refers to Joseph status as honestus I am not sure it was the same when he was born or when his father was born. I wouldn't be surprised that he father was szlachcic, time will come and we will see.

Think of Joseph in the reality of times and his achievements.

Note
From Robert Magnuski:

All what was found resulted from finding that Apolonia was not born in Gralewo and conclusions fom J&J death records. Even true conclusions woluld not help much if there were no indices of those few parishes in geneteka that revealed Magnuskis and Sobierajskis. Most likely all Magnuskis and most of Sobierajskis from that area would be related to Jozef and Jadwiga.

I have given some thoughts to Jozef. if his age was more less correct he arrived to Gralewo being around 35 to compete for a very well paid job of a brewer for a local landlord. He must have some experience and so do others but he got a job. He managed well enough that later he was trusted to run a mill. Combined income contributed to his moving the family to Warsaw later on. That was huge advancement for a man who spent all his life in a tiny remote village. And the family prospered there.

Although it's all we know of him as of now it is enough to get some conclusion about him. I guess you appreciate his self-confidence demonstrated in leaving the rest of family and applying for an excellent job and later after financially successfull years moving to Warsaw. It's quite likely that he could read and write which was very unlikely for someone who was not from nobility. I wonder about his skills and abilities. Running a brewery even in XVIII c and operating machinery required technical knowledge and understanding of some processes that we call chemistry now. I know little of your line but I guess those technical abilities and skills were passed to future generations too. If Jozef were raised as a son of peasant his achievements are even more impressive. I think he had harmoniuous family life too. Knowing by Franciszek his mother's birth place might mean he was closest to her. As I said I do not know what happened to their children but if they got married and raised their families mean they were looked for and chosen as life partners.

That's all I can think of them now

Robert

Note
On 2015-10-25 Robert Magnuski wrote:

I have been granted access to vital records from Ostrzeszow ordered by another genealogist to the Warsaw's branch of FHL. I have read records from 1745-1754 in search of birth of Jozef Magnuski husband of Jadwiga Sobierajska, who according to his death record ‏(and other)‏ was supposed to be born in Ostrzeszow between 1748-51. Unfortunately, within that period of time no birth of any Magnuski was found nor any Magnuski was a witness to any birth.

The Ostrzeszow research has simply shown that Joseph's birth is not recorded there between 1745-54.

Yet, Ostrzeszow was said as his birthplace to a priest by himself at his son's marriage record and his death record located his birthplace in Wielkopolska there might be one more thing that may suggest that his birth had taken place in Ostrzeszow anyway, but not at that time. I am referring to the given name of his firstborn son. Joseph gave it as the second name to his second son too after the firstborn passed away in childhood. This fact can be significant or can not. If you asked me I would say it worth to remember and if chances come explore.
Birth Ostrzeszów 51,426853 17,931818
Według aktu ślubu syna Franciszka Ksawerego w 1820 r. liczył 69 lat, czyli mógł się urodzić w 1751 r.

Beginnings of Ostrzeszów date back to the 13th century. It was granted civic rights in 1283. During the reign of Casimir III of Poland a castle was built in Ostrzeszów, which formed a part of a defense line on the Polish – Czech border of that time. From the 16th until the 18th century Ostrzeszów was a city "starosty", a seat of a county and lands tribunals. The city was burned down by Swedes during the Swedish Deluge of 1656. In 1793, as a result of the second partition of Poland, Ostrzeszów became part of Prussia. During the annexation period, under a German name Schildberg, it was a county town. It was also an important centre of Protestantism ‏(Poles and Germans)‏. After World War I the town of Ostrzeszów returned to the territory of Poland.
Marriage Marriage date is assumed. No documents to support date or place. Daughter Apolonia died in 1790.
Marriage Marriage date is assumed. No documents to support date or place. Daughter Apolonia died in 1790.

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Family with Parents
Father
Father of Józef Magnuski ‎(I1572)‎
Birth about 1723 , , Wielkopolskie, Polska
Death 1798 ‏(Age 75)‏ , , Wielkopolskie, Polska
Mother
Mother of Józef NN ‎(I1573)‎
Birth about 1723 , , Wielkopolskie, Polska
Death about 1798 ‏(Age 75)‏ , , Wielkopolskie, Polska

Religious Marriage: about 1746 -- , , , Polska
2 years
#1
Józef Magnuski ‎(I1149)‎
Birth about 1748 25 25 Ostrzeszów, Ostrzeszów, ostrzeszowski, wielkopolskie, Polska
Death 5 August 1838 ‏(Age 90)‏ Warszawa Wola, Warszawa, Warszawa, Mazowieckie, Polska
Family with Jadwiga Sobierajska
Józef Magnuski ‎(I1149)‎
Birth about 1748 25 25 Ostrzeszów, Ostrzeszów, ostrzeszowski, wielkopolskie, Polska
Death 5 August 1838 ‏(Age 90)‏ Warszawa Wola, Warszawa, Warszawa, Mazowieckie, Polska
10 years
Wife
 
Jadwiga Sobierajska ‎(I600)‎
Birth about 1758 Dąbrówka, , , , Polska
Death 21 December 1838 ‏(Age 80)‏ Warszawa, Warszawa Wola, Warszawa, Mazowieckie, Polska

Religious Marriage: about 1789 -- Polska
#1
Daughter (Birth)
Apolonia Magnuska ‎(I2596)‎
Death about 1790 Gralewo, Raciąż, płoński, Mazowieckie, Polska
#2
Son (Birth)
Szymon Seweryn Magnuski ‎(I2888)‎
Birth 1 November 1789 41 31 Gralewo, Raciąż, płoński, Mazowieckie, Polska
1 year
#3
Son
Seweryn Szymon Magnuski ‎(I601)‎
Birth 1 November 1790 42 32 Gralewo, Raciąż, płoński, Mazowieckie, Polska
Death Yes
2 years
#4
Son (Birth)
Tadeusz Józef Magnuski ‎(I2207)‎
Birth 29 December 1792 44 34 Gralewo, Raciąż, płoński, Mazowieckie, Polska
Death 29 September 1866 ‏(Age 73)‏ Łodź, Łódzkie, Polska
14 months
#5
Daughter (Birth)
Matylda Regina Magnuska ‎(I2206)‎
Birth 15 March 1794 46 36 Gralewo, Raciąż, płoński, Mazowieckie, Polska
2 years
#6
Son
Franciszek Ksawery Magnuski ‎(I247)‎
Birth 4 December 1795 47 37 Gralewo, Raciąż, płoński, Mazowieckie, Polska
Death 13 July 1880 ‏(Age 84)‏ Warszawa, Warszawa, Warszawa, Mazowieckie, Polska
2 years
#7
Daughter
Marianna Magnuska ‎(I1150)‎
Birth 8 September 1797 49 39 Gralewo, Raciąż, płoński, Mazowieckie, Polska
Death Yes
#8
Son (Birth)
Mikołaj Magnuski ‎(I2386)‎
Birth 8 September 1797 49 39 Gralewo, Raciąż, płoński, Mazowieckie, Polska
Death 7 November 1797 ‏(Age 60 days)‏ Gralewo, Raciąż, płoński, Mazowieckie, Polska